what a difference a week and a stampede by the house makes and then theirs kathleen sebelius says it's too late and this change won't help. now she changed their mind. they're delving, no matter where you are, they're developing a credibility problem, and in a second term, president with a credibility problem and a cabinet with a credibility problem equals nothing is going to get done. >> i also want to pick up, shep, on exactly what you said earlier, when kathleen sebeliused had the -- i'm saying it dish gall to say a relatively small number of people. it's five million now but potentially it's 5% of the market, which is 15 million people. all of obamacare was to get 30 million people, which is 10% of the market, to get them insurance. somehow that is he holey grail of obamacare. 30 million, but 15 million is a relatively small number. >> i heard nicole wallace today, who used to be with mccain and was in the bush white house before, talk about this, she felt like, was george bush's katrina moment, this would be president obama's katrina moment, and i wonder if you think that's overst